San Diego Comic Con 2019 was massive for Trekkies, and we're joined by guest Sam (she first appeared way back in ep 3!) to talk about everything. Including:

  • Star Trek: Picard - the trailer, the cameos, the new characters, everything. 
  • (There WILL be spoilers.)
  • Star Trek: Lower Decks - we are ... cautiously optimistic!
  • Star Trek: Discovery - well, we're still mad about the finale, but we're also experiencing a flicker of ... excitement? 

You can find Sam online at, and you can find show notes and credits at!

As requested by our Twitter followers, we're talking "Journey to Babel". Along the way:

  • We provide a recap for viewers who haven't watched "Journey" lately/ever
  • Liz attempts to say "pacificism"
  • Live headcanon construction
  • Considering "Journey to Babel" in the context of Discovery
  • Does Amanda buy into the Vulcan patriarchy?
  • Tellarites and Andorians and Vulcans, oh my!
  • Costume chat: Amanda wears the pants in this family (and the high heels and feather boas)

And finally, we have a NSFW digression about, ummmmmmmmmmm, some infamous 1970s cosplay.

Check out for more detailed show notes (including a link verifying the whole cosplay story).

We're talking about the Star Trek tie-ins of our formative years -- the ones we read until they fell apart. And it doesn't quite turn into a Diane Duane book club, but... 

Well. Novels we discuss in detail: 

  • The Romulan Way by Diane Duane
  • How Much For Just The Planet? by John M. Ford
  • Survivors by Jean Lorrah
  • The Pandora Principle by Carolyn Clowes
  • The Devil's Heart by Carmen Carter
  • Dark Mirror by Diane Duane (coming full circle!)

You don't need to be familiar with these novels to listen to the podcast! How Much For Just The Planet is a classic, but it's also out of print, and retailing for a couple of hundred dollars on Amazon Marketplace -- or, as it turns out, just a couple of bucks on eBay. (Treat yourself. It's amazing.)

We also talk about the different needs filled by tie-in novels versus fan fiction, and why more recent Star Trek fiction just isn't doing it for us. 

Problematic faves! Anika and a sliiiiiiiiiiightly hungover (yet award-winning) Liz discuss the characters we love, but can't entirely recommend without a caveat. Or many caveats. 

But first -- we have to define terms. How do you narrow it down when literally every single work of fiction, along with every single human who ever existed, is imperfect?


  • Yeoman Tonia Barrows of "Shore Leave" (TOS)
  • Captain Kathryn Janeway of THE ENTIRE SERIES OF VOYAGER have you heard of her?
  • T'Pring of of "Amok Time" (TOS) and Valeris  of Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country
  • Gul Dukat of DS9 (the ultimate Problematic Fave Who Thinks He Is A Cinnamon Roll)
  • Seska of Voyager
  • L'Rell of Discovery

And along the way, we talk about fandom's attitudes towards characters who do terrible things or represent terrible ideas, fan fiction as a safe place to explore ideas which don't have a place in canon, and more!

It's our twentieth episode, and we're celebrating by getting totally self-indulgent. We talk about our childhood and adolescent experiences with Star Trek: discovering the series; discovering fandom; that time Anika was an awkward teenager at Alexander Siddig; Liz's mum's review of her early fan fiction...

We also talk about Anika introducing her daughters to Trek, and our hopes for Star Trek: Picard versus our fears for the fandom. And, because it's us, then we digress into Star Wars...

We want to hear your stories of #growinguptrekkie! Hit us up on Twitter (@antimatterpod) or Tumblr (antimatterpod), and use the hashtag. Discovered Star Trek as an adult? Hey, aren't we all still growing up in various ways? 

We're joined by special guest Caroline (aka rikerssexblouse) to discuss mothers in Star Trek

Anika ran the stats, and we talked about specific characters, including...

  • Beverly Crusher (TNG)
  • Lwaxana Troi (TNG, DS9)
  • Keiko O'Brien (TNG, DS9)
  • Ishka (DS9)
  • Samantha Wildman (VOY)
  • Winona Kirk (ST2009)
  • Tom Paris's mother (who didn't even get a name!) (VOY)
  • Miral Torres (VOY)
  • Amanda Grayson (TOS, ST2009, DSC)
  • Philippa Georgiou (DSC)
  • Gabrielle Burnham (DSC)

We also discussed recurring themes, such as...

  • mothers who don't get to parent their own children (Beverly Crusher, Samantha Wildman)
  • parenthood and career paths in a post-scarcity future
  • the complicated feminism of Jeri Taylor
  • D. C. Fontana and "Friday's Child" (TOS)
  • Cersei Lannister versus Philippa Georgiou -- redeeming monsters
  • bad mothers and bad fathers -- who does the audience forgive?

See for further notes and links. 

We're talking about Starfleet's admiralty!

  • Just how many Starfleet admirals are evil? Liz ran the numbers!
  • Why are so many admirals antagonistic, if not outright villains?
  • And what are the qualities which make a good admiral?
  • Apparently we have more sympathy for Admiral Norah Satie than most people
  • We're still pretty mad that Kat died
  • Anika proposes a game: which Star Trek characters should or definitely should not be admirals?
  • Career paths of the future: in a utopia where people are free to choose their paths achieving/not achieving flag rank shouldn't be the measure of a character's worth

Specific characters discussed: 

  • Patterson (VOY - "Relativity")
  • Hanson (TNG - "The Best of Both Worlds")
  • Haftel (TNG - "The Offspring)
  • Patar (DSC - "Project Daedalus")
  • Cornwell (DSC)
  • Satie (TNG - "The Drumhead")
  • Necheyev (TNG -- particularly the "Chain of Command" and "Descent" two-parters)
  • Janeway (VOY and Star Trek: Nemesis)
  • Kirk (TOS and Star Trek: The Motion Picture, The Wrath of Khan and The Search for Spock)

Content note: We discuss the telepathic sexual assault of Deanna Troi in Star Trek: Nemesis for about sixty seconds, starting at around the 40 minute mark. 

See for more detailed show notes and links.

Join us as we discuss the season finale of Star Trek: Discovery season 2, and ... well, we were not hugely positive about it. 

Along the way, we talk about:

  • space battles!
  • ensemble moments we loved!
  • we have ... concerns ... about the Ba'ul's wellbeing!
  • Klingons!
  • poorly executed character deaths!
  • why doesn't Discovery trust its audience?!
  • we hate the epilogue so much!
  • why is season 2 such a mess?!?!
  • Is it possible to overuse the interrobang? Okay, but unlimited exclamation marks are okay, right?!

Other highlights include Liz almost crying -- three times! And Anika pitches a Trekkish take on The Clone Wars. 

It's the penultimate episode of Star Trek: Discovery's second season, and we're talking about...

  • how Michael is still Alice (in Wonderland)
  • should we maybe not overthink the time crystals?
  • a brief fantasy about Admiral Cornwell mentoring Kirk
  • Enterprise bridge squee
  • shipping the ships (and various people)
  • eyeliner (seriously, we have a lot of thoughts about the eyeliner in this episode)
  • a digression about Seska

Also discussed along the way...

  • Various Short Treks: "Runaway", "Calypso", "The Escape Artist"
  • Once Upon A Time
  • the Seska arc in Voyager, particularly "Stage of Flux"


We're talking season 2, episode 12 of Star Trek: Discovery, "Through the Valley of Shadows". And...

  • Pike's character ("He is Starfleet")
  • Can the ableism of "The Menagerie" be fixed? Signs point to no! 
  • Ken Mitchell: he will play all the Klingons
  • (Proposal: Mary Chieffo as the new Suzie Plakson)
  • The L'Rell-Voq | Ash-Michael family unit and love triangle
  • A very obvious plant
  • Adventures in self-destruct sequences

This episode is short because big chunks of it were lost to audio malfunctions, as Liz's microphone started blipping in and out. Among the discussions lost were "Does Jett's wife being dead add to the dead lesbians trope?" and "But seriously, how many ships does Starfleet have?" Apologies! 

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